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    Avoiding Brake Judder at the Track.

    If you have taken your car to the track on weekends, changing between racing brake pads and street pads, you've probably experienced brake judder. Brake judder, also known as "brake shimmy," is the feedback through the steering wheel and suspension when you apply the brakes at certain speeds and pressures. The steering wheel can shake back and forth, ranging from a faint, barely noticeable vibration to a violent shudder that feels like it could rip itself from your hands.

    Judder can occur on the street or track and, in both cases, is caused by uneven build-up of pad material on the surfaces of the rotors. It is aggravated by the high temperatures experienced at the track and by switching back and forth between two incompatible friction materials.

    Despite the popular myth, brake judder is not caused by warped rotors. Judder is the result of a thickness variation in pad buildup on the rotors' surfaces.

    To understand why this is happening, you first need to understand the concept of bedding brakes. Click here for bedding instructions. In order to maximize the performance of your brakes, you must transfer a thin layer of pad material onto the surfaces of your brake rotors. This "transfer layer" forms molecular bonds to the pads when you apply the brakes. As the rotors rotate underneath the pads, these bonds are torn apart. The resistance of the bonds to being broken yields additional friction above and beyond the abrasive action of the pads and rotors scraping against each other. This additional friction is called "adherent mode." You must bed your brakes in order to benefit from adherent mode friction.

    When you install race pads, you would like to remove the street pad transfer layer from your rotors before you bed them in. Conversely, when your track event is over and you reinstall your street pads, you would like to remove the race pad transfer layer before bedding in your street pads. How do you do this?

    Some drivers swap pads and rotors at the same time, keeping one set of rotors dedicated for the track and the other set dedicated for the street. This works by keeping the transfer layer pure and not piling up incompatible layers of pad material on top of each other. But it's a lot of extra work. The last thing you feel like doing, after a long track event, is to swap hot rotors. There is a better way.

    Street pads exhibit a mixture of abrasive and adherent friction almost immediately without extensive warm up. Race pads don't get into their adherent mode unless they are several hundred degrees, a temperature rarely seen on the street. Under normal street driving conditions, a race pad will operate almost purely in abrasive mode.

    Use Race Pads as a Tool to Remove Deposits from Rotors

    If you install race pads before your track event and drive around normally, the race pads will polish away the transfer layer left behind by your street pads. This leaves you with nice, clean rotors which may be bedded with your race pads when you are at or near the track.

    After the track event is over, you should not switch back to street pads right away. Instead, drive home from the event using your race pads. As they cool down, the race pads will once again go into pure abrasive mode and polish away their own transfer layer from your race weekend. Cold race pads will even cure judder problems from pad deposits accumulated during the track event. By the time you get home, the rotors are polished clean and ready for you to install and bed your street pads.

    In essence, you are using your race pads as portable brake lathes. The race pads are a tool for removing unwanted transfer layer before and after your track event.

    Avoid Pad Imprinting on your Rotors

    After a fast lap on the race track or a high speed stop from over 120 mph, your brake rotors may be literally glowing red hot. If you keep your foot planted firmly on the brake pedal after coming to a complete stop, you may find your brake pads bonded firmly to the rotors. The extreme heat melts the surface of the pads and forms an imprint on the rotors. This imprint is a few ten thousandths of an inch thick and can result in a noticeable shimmy. If it happens on unbedded rotors, you will also end up with a significant difference in the coefficient of friction between the imprint and the rest of the rotor, further aggravating the situation. In addition, the heat transfer through your brake pads can boil your brake fluid, resulting in a spongy pedal feel.

    To avoid this problem, try to take advantage of the cool down lap before entering the pits at the end of your track session. Use the brakes as little as possible during your last lap. If you must enter the pits directly after a hot lap, make sure to roll to a stop and place the car in gear (or park) to keep it in place, rather than leaving your foot on the brake pedal. If your parking brake is incorporated into the rear calipers (e.g., many VW and Ford models), then avoid using it. Use a wheel chock, if necessary, to keep the car from rolling.

    In the excitement of a track event, it's easy to forget all of this. As adrenalin courses through your body, your hands will be firmly clamped to the steering wheel and your foot on the brake pedal. Try to relax and keep that foot off the brake pedal! By following these techniques, you can forever banish the brake judder demons from your car.

    by:Dave Zeckhausen
    Source : http://www.zeckhausen.com/avoiding_brake_judder.htm

    #2
    i want to add something from experience coz i suffered from judder due to wraped rear rotors before and had to machine them to correct it
    my advice is donot leave your parking brake on if u leave the car parked for long periods for example if u leave the country for one week or something as this makes the pads bite the rotor and deform it, believe it or not but this really happens
    I am the Japanese spy in the BMW club :joking: :D

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      #3
      Great info
      Meskovic
      this is as far as i understand (correct me if i am wrong) a public forum, where people share ideas on how to make the bmw lifestyle better and more pleasurable and enjoyable..where we benefit from others mistakes and learn from our own ,share experiences..all in a common goal to make everything and everyone better, not the opposite.. do i need to remind everyone of all the laughs we had and how many times we shared food and shisha together..how many times we all stayed up late to fix anothers friend (brother) issues?? This is what makes a community, us, people..a common understanding and fellowship..respect

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        #4
        Great write up....Lots of theories on the matter. Sometimes it can be your tires that cause the juddering when braking.

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          #5
          Thanks for sharing! Really helpful! Never knew such things had an effect or how they work as a matter of fact!

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            #6
            Originally posted by Nabil View Post
            Great info
            Exactly. At least someone came out and spoke the truth. Phew, you only throw away rotors. Read ONLY throw away rotors when worn past the wear thickness and when the spider cracks (from heat at the track/heat cycling on the track) gets to the circumference. Otherwise, the rotor is good. I get the pad deposits off by:

            Get on the highway at 100-110 KMH. Get on the brakes while on throttle, FULL throttle while on brakes just to be enough to heat up the brakes. Two to three of these 10 seconds stints and the shudder is gone. If you are more ballsy, get on the brakes a couple of times on the track and after one solid lap, no shudder :)

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              #7
              Thanks for sharing.
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